At the end of last year (December) my pay was a little shortsince I had spent some time at home with my wife to help herout around the house with baby #2. To be blunt, it was $2k short.My boss then approaches me and tells me that he has a "project" for me to work on if I'm interested in working some OT. I tell him of courseand he then tells me that if I get this project done by Jan., I can expecta $2k bump for it.So I get the job done on time, no problems.I then notice that the "bonus" money was attached to THIS years salaryand not added onto the total amount from last years earnings.Weeks later, when I go in to ask for a bump in pay (it's been about 5 years sincemy hourly rate has been upped) he tells me that if I would work the fullamount of hours for this year, then he's already (in effect) given me a $2k raise. How can I handle this professionally? Because the only solutionthat keeps popping into my head is to strangle the motherf*cker.
Any advice is welcome, aside from telling me to get a new job.
(already on that trail)
Open door policy, go above him ?
I'm confused. You're paid an hourly wage but he puts your "bonus" into this year's salary? How are you hourly and salaried at the same time?
I'm confused. Did you get the money for the "project" you did? The "project" and the "bump in pay" are two separate things, right?
I don't know why I'm even asking; I've only asked for a raise once and I didn't get it so I gave notice.
I guess if it's the bonus money, I'd request it in writing and CC: your payroll department. If it's about the raise, I think it's maybe just sour grapes. But I do think your boss is a dick, for what it's worth.
I am the thread killer.
did you get the bonus in 07 or 08?
was the project done in 07 or 08?
GG, I do get paid hourly.However, there is also a quarterly (salary) amount that I can achieve if I workthe full 40 per week and get all of my work done on time, which I always do.So say I work 98.88% of the total hours possible, I only getpaid 98.88% of that amount for the quarter. (Minus the difference ofwhat I've already earned hourly)The $2k bonus was for a project that started (and should've finished)LAST year but it was carried over by him into this new years salary.When I asked for a raise, he told me if I work all of the possible hours,I've already gotten it in the form of the 2k bonus, which technically is for work that I did LAST year.Still confused?Oh, and it's a small company, so no HR dept or sh!t like that.
I'm in this canoe by myself..... losing my paddle.
jackson:did you get the bonus in 07 or 08? was the project done in 07 or 08?
Project was given to me at the end of december (right before the "new" business year)
with the understanding that it would be finished before the 2nd week in Jan.
It took a little longer than planned (thanks to my boss) but I still got it and he put the $2k
on my last year's total salary amount for 07-08.
When I asked for a raise last week, that "bonus" money paid to me suddenly turned into
money that "I could consider a raise" if I work the full amount of hours this year.
Make sense?
I'm with Rockinchica. Your boss is a loser. Here's the way I understand it: Dude knows cash is tight cause you're helping out with the family and not coming into the office for a while. He offers to help you out by giving you a project to complete by a deadline. You do so.
Separately, you ask for a raise because you haven't had one in five years (which is ridiculous). He agrees but calls your compensation for the project a "raise". (After you've completed it, of course.)
So...either:
a.) You wouldn't have been compensated for the project had you not been given a "raise".
or
b.) You wouldn't have been given a "raise" had you not completed the project.
Either way, He's calling your bonus and your raise by the same name and paying you once.
Is this about right? If so, I guess I'd breech the subject by asking what project you'll need to complete by the end of '08 to qualify for another "raise" in '09.
And this button-down, Oxford-cloth psycho might just snap, and then stalk from office to office with an Armalite AR-10 carbine gas-powered semi-automatic weapon, pumping round after round into colleagues and co-workers. This might be someone you've known for years. Someone very, very close to you.
A fat man never goes to bed hungry.
Yes, he is a loser. No disputing that.And yes GG, you got the basics down pretty close there.
G.G.:you haven't had one in five years (which is ridiculous).
you haven't had one in five years (which is ridiculous).
Forgot to mention his reasoning for that point.
I told him that any logical person would say that it's outrageousto not get a raise after such a long period of time and that it tells mehe doesn't think much of me as a worker.He then reminded me that my annual amount has beenincreased over the years..... (yeah, that was 4 years ago).....I then asked him if he thought maybe my bills might have increasedover those last 4 years... you know.... mortgage, gas, kids, bills, etc.?He then went with the "every position here has a set amount we can spend on"bullshit argument.Can I kill him yet?
aaronious:I told him that any logical person would say that it's outrageousto not get a raise after such a long period of time and that it tells mehe doesn't think much of me as a worker.
I told him that any logical person would say that it's outrageousto not get a raise after such a long period of time and that it tells mehe doesn't think much of me as a worker.
If this isn't enough of a reason to quit, I don't know what is. Dude, why are you putting up with this? I know the job market is tough but c'mon... What do you do, if you don't mind me asking?
aaronious:Can I kill him yet?
I'm with Rost although I get what your boss is doing. He's one of those skinflint types who feels no remorse whatsoever for paying only what is required to keep people employed there. He doesn't appear to value morale much. Basically...you work for Mr. Krabs (or Scrooge if you prefer).
Time to get serious about the job hunt. Score some options then give him an ultimatum. You might be surprised how willing he is to negotiate once you have some leverage. Right now all you have is a family and a mortgage...and he knows it. That's a very frustrating position to be in. Its hard on your psyche and your heart. You gotta get dead serious about finding something else and turn the tables on the prick.
Of course there is one other possible option.
Maybe you assumed the 2K bump was a bonus and he was offering a raise of 2K (what you got if I read this correctly)
Perhaps it is simply miscommunication.
Also if the boss can only charge so much because stingy consumers only want to sepnd so much there may very well be a real cap for your position. Either you get that amout or he needs to find someone else that can do it for the right price. I'm not paying $10 for a box of wheaties, that puts a cap on the salary of the guy running the wheaties machine.
Find a new job. Find a new skillset that is more valuable.
Number Johnny 5
GOOTS:Of course there is one other possible option. Maybe you assumed the 2K bump was a bonus and he was offering a raise of 2K (what you got if I read this correctly)
GOOTS:Also if the boss can only charge so much because stingy consumers only want to sepnd so much there may very well be a real cap for your position. Either you get that amout or he needs to find someone else that can do it for the right price. I'm not paying $10 for a box of wheaties, that puts a cap on the salary of the guy running the wheaties machine.
GOOTS:Find a new job. Find a new skillset that is more valuable.
rost0031:Dude, why are you putting up with this? I know the job market is tough but c'mon... What do you do, if you don't mind me asking?
Dude, why are you putting up with this? I know the job market is tough but c'mon... What do you do, if you don't mind me asking?
Let's just say I'm in the creative computer field....
It IS tough. Half the jobs I apply for either offer NO benefits, or less money than I'm
making now. Then there are the interviews I go to and think I've knocked out of the park,
only to get rejected or never called back. I've been at it for years.
I do some freelance work on the side but as of late, our newborn and
3 year old have me spinning in circles the second I set foot in the door
when I get home, so my free time is minimal.
Is it too juvenile to suggest the ole thumbtack on the chair bit? Sometimes when you're truly fucked, the campiest thing can be the short term elixir to mental health.
aaronious: No Goots, it was quite clear that what I was receiving was a bonus.
Then he's a douchebag. Go find your self a better job doing something you enjoy more. Maybe do your boss's job.
G.G.:I'm with Rost although I get what your boss is doing. He's one of those skinflint types who feels no remorse whatsoever for paying only what is required to keep people employed there. He doesn't appear to value morale much. Basically...you work for Mr. Krabs (or Scrooge if you prefer).
G.G.:Time to get serious about the job hunt. Score some options then give him an ultimatum. You might be surprised how willing he is to negotiate once you have some leverage. Right now all you have is a family and a mortgage...and he knows it. That's a very frustrating position to be in. Its hard on your psyche and your heart. You gotta get dead serious about finding something else and turn the tables on the prick.
GOOTS: aaronious: No Goots, it was quite clear that what I was receiving was a bonus. Then he's a douchebag. Go find your self a better job doing something you enjoy more. Maybe do your boss's job.
Agreed.
I would LOVE to be a prick with inherited money, ru